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Re: [FW-1] Successfully blocking MSN Messenger, how-to?

Subject: Re: [FW-1] Successfully blocking MSN Messenger, how-to?
From: cisco4ng <cisco4ng AT YAHOO DOT COM>
To: FW-1-MAILINGLIST AT AMADEUS.US.CHECKPOINT DOT COM
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 05:47:08 -0800
Do NOT use SmartDefense.  You may be asking for trouble down the road.  I've
  use Smartdefense for some of the features in there.  It works for one thing 
but
  break something else along the way.  By the way, SmartDefense comes with 
  Checkpoint.  It is built-in.  You don't have to pay for it, sort of.  You 
just have
  to pay for new update.  Think of it like Anti-virus software.  Smartdefense 
model
  is similar to that.  If you don't pay, then you can not update Smartdefense 
with
  new updates.
   
  That being said.  I am running R55w with HFA_04 on SPLAT and the way you block
  MSN is as follows.  I tested it and it works:
   
  Source              Dest                       Service             Action     
        Track
  Intenal Net       msn.com                    Any                 drop         
       Log
                        hotmail.com
                        login.passport.com
   
  That being said.  It is extremely difficult to block IMs like msn, yahoo, 
aol, etc....
  Remember to block Terminal Services and ssh while you're at it because if you 
  don't, people can remote desktop back to their home machine and log in MSN
  that way.  Worse, if you allow SSH outbound, you will also allow people to SSH
  back to their home machine and tunnel ALL traffics via SSH and you will not be
  able to see a thing because the traffics are encrypted.  I know because I do 
this
  all the times.  But these are for advanced IT folks.  Regular users wouldn't 
know
  how to do this, I think.
   
  Try it and let us know.  HTH.
   
  cisco4ng
   
  

Stig Bull <stig.bull AT HUGINGROUP DOT COM> wrote:
  Dear list, I have been given the task of blocking MSN Messenger in the
office firewall.
However, after some rather extensive Googling, I see that this is far
more difficult than it appears to be, and the web sites I found with
claimed solutions for blocking MSN, simply didn't work.

Here's what I've done so far (after Googling):

Blocked access to gateway.messenger.hotmail.com, messenger.hotmail.com
and webmessenger.msn.com; all traffic, inbound and outbound. I've also
blocked port 1863 (TCP, UDP), 6891-6900 (TCP), 5190 (UDP) and 6901
(UDP).
Still people are able to connect MSN Messenger with no problem at all. I
suspect this is because the server's I'm trying to block, have several
different IP addresses.

I've read that some think the best way is SmartDefense, but I'm not sure
if I need a license for it. At least it tells me when I try to update it
(NG AI R55 by the way) that SmartDefense updates require a SmartDefense
subscription license, so I really haven't looked into it at all.

Is there any successfull way of blocking MSN Messenger which really
works?

--
Regards

Stig Bull

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