Firewall-1

Re: [FW-1] Checkpoint vs. Cisco ASA

Subject: Re: [FW-1] Checkpoint vs. Cisco ASA
From: cisco4ng <cisco4ng AT YAHOO DOT COM>
To: FW-1-MAILINGLIST AT AMADEUS.US.CHECKPOINT DOT COM
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:23:55 -0800
Sean,
  It looks to me that your checkpoint is NOT an issue.  The issue is that 
you're trying to 
  do too much with the Checkpoint firewall (internet access and site-2-site 
VPN) on the same
  device.  What makes  you think that you will not run into issues with the ASA?
   
  Here is what I would do if I were  you:
   
  1) separate Internet traffic and site-2-site VPN traffics.  In other words, 
you use a separate
  device (I like Cisco IOS router like the 3745 with encryption module) so that 
you can
  terminate remote access and site-2-site vpn on the cisco device).  Once the 
traffics are
  decrypted, you can let the checkpoint firewall inspect it.
   
  2) have the checkpoint do stateful inspection and the router handle vpn 
traffics.  I am willing
  to bet if you follow this approach, you will NOT run into firewall 
performance issues.
   
  A lot of Cisco SEs are idiots.  They can only talk but when you ask them 
specific questions,
  they don't know sh_t (pardon my language).  One of the reasons that I like 
about my job
  is that whenever I have to make technical recommendations to our customers, I 
almost
  always have to talk to some SEs from Cisco, and nine of ten times, I can shut 
them up 
  quickly because I know what Cisco Pix/ASA can and can not do.  Somewhere in 
the
  conversation, I also throw in the fact that as a certified CCIE Security, I 
know first hand
  how difficult it is to manage a Cisco Pix/ASA device.  Cisco makes good 
networking
  products but their security products are lousy.
   
  I think if you prepare yourself with the pro/con of going to checkpoint to 
Pix, your
  manager will listen to you.  The cisco person at your company, unless he is 
also 
  knowlegable with Checkpoint, is in no position to make recommendations, IMHO.
   
  last but not least, I am also using NetScreen NSM product from Juniper and I 
can
  say that the product is still buggy.  NSM is nothing but Checkpoint 
Provider-1 knock-off.

chkp tech <chkptech AT GMAIL DOT COM> wrote:
  Sean,

It looks like Cisco4NG has given you quite a bit of ammunition for the
fight. I have to agree with him, that Check Point has some features that
just can't be done with the ASA box without some serious architecture
changes. In the past, when I've helped customers make the migration from
Check Point, a couple things always crop up. The first is that policy
migration doesn't happen without quite a bit of leg work. The second is
that the amount of time to resolve issues doubles after the migration
happens. Excluding small IT departments, usually people have been hired for
their current knowledgebase and they usually know what's currently in
place. Now you've got to deal with new headaches, and those just take
longer to work out by everyone involved.

Just to throw some more information your way, take a look at the Juniper
boxes. They are appliances, and have a GUI editor for policies (NSM). The
pricing includes support, and on top of that, Juniper support seems to be
some of the best in the industry.

Jason

>snip

Our company is considering replacing our Checkpoint firewall for a Cisco
> ASA-5520 appliance. Does anyone on this list have any experience with ASA
> box, and if so what is your opinion on them. We are currently running
> R55 on our Corrent SR200 appliance, and are looking at migrating to a Dell
> Poweredge 1950 server with R61/R62 (not sure which is best to go to).
>
> I need some ammunition on pros/cons of Cisco compared to Checkpoint.
>
> Any information would greatly be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sean


>snip

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