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Re: [fw-wiz] bypassing PIX limitation

To: "Horvath, Kevin M." <KEVIN.M.HORVATH@saic.com>
Subject: Re: [fw-wiz] bypassing PIX limitation
From: Paolo Supino <paolo@actcom.net.il>
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 10:34:50 -0500
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Hi Kevin

   The IP address space assigned to me is not part of their public IP 
address space. I apologize, I explained myself wrong.
Hopefully the following information will be clearer: The network behind 
my PIX is 192.168.99.x (the pix has a public IP address). Our partner 
uses IP addresses on network 172.28.x.x/16. They want me to use on my 
network IP addresses on subnet 172.28.150.32/28.






TIA
Paolo



Horvath, Kevin M. wrote:

>When you say carved out of their IP network, I assume you are talking about
>the public assigned IP space, as the private ip space is anyones.  If this
>is correct then whoever wrote their policy needs to go to some basic routing
>training as that just doesn't make any sense.  You should be able to nat
>traffic across a vpn tunnel, although I have never tried it, since nat is
>done before packets are encrypted.  Your problem will be that you have to
>assign the outside ip block from the partner to your global statement which
>will probably give you issues, as it breaks routing concepts (meaning those
>aren't assigned/routed to you so they wont go anywhere, but since they are
>going over an ipsec tunnel its plausible).  Even if you get it working from
>your side it will be interesting to see how they handle their incoming
>public ip space from an ipsec tunnel since its routed to their outside
>interface already.  The more and more I think about this the more I realize
>it should not even be tried.  Its just a bad idea altogether.  I just hope
>you mean private ip not the partners public ip space when you say " carved
>out of their overall IP network range"?
>
>Kevin M. Horvath
>CISSP, CCSP, GCIH, INFOSEC, CQS-FW, CQS-VPN, CQS-IDS, CCNA
>SAIC - IT Security Division
>703.868.1503
>
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>[mailto:firewall-wizards-bounces@listserv.cybertrust.com] On Behalf Of Paolo
>Supino
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>Subject: [fw-wiz] bypassing PIX limitation
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>Hi
>
>  I have a network that is protected by a PIX 515e running 6.3(1). I was 
>asked to setup a IPSEC VPN with a partner. The partner's security policy 
>mandates that  a remote encryption domain must use IP addresses on a 
>subnet carved out of their overall IP network range. The network behind 
>my PIX uses IP addresses on a subnet that is outside of their IP 
>network. Adding a second IP to my network isn't supported by the PIX OS. 
>To bypass this limitation I thought of NATing packets going into the VPN 
>tunnel.  I've been looking for documentation for such a scenario, but 
>can't find anything. Can packets going into a VPN tunnel be NATed?
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>TIA
>Paolo
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