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Subject: Re: [fw-wiz] FW: OT? New compromise.
From: Victor Williams <vbwilliams@neb.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:20:12 -0500
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Port 1863 is the port for Microsoft's Instant Messenger client 
communications.  1720 is default for LiveMeeting...in later versions 
these two pieces of functionality are integrated together.

It could appear to exist on Linux boxes because of any of a number of 
Instant Messenger clients that come by default.  I know GAIM and Kopete 
are included by default with Fedora 4 and later and work with all the 
major IM networks (MSN, Yahoo, ICQ, AIM).

In MS systems, MSN IM client starts itself automatically unless you 
specifically tell it not to.  Likewise, even if you tell it not to, 
loading MS Office 2003 or later will re-set it so that it starts 
automatically again.

Jim Seymour wrote:

>The following is a selection of the comments in a thread on another
>mailing list (which is semi-confidential, so I won't be naming it),
>with permission from each of the authors to re-post/forward here.
>
>(N.B.: Since it's a forward from a semi-confidential mailing list, I'd
>respectfully request that it not be forwarded elsewhere, tho I fully
>realize the request certainly isn't enforceable.  Thanks.)
>
>Anybody recognize this?
>
>------------------------- begin included text --------------------------
>From: Ereshkigal
>Subject: OT? New compromise.
>
>Not exactly spam-related right now, but of fairly major concern.
>We've been finding it a lot when looking at customers with spammy
>viruses.  A lot of them (currently 95-98%) have some type of services
>running on ports1720 and 1863 in conjunction.  Two weeks ago, we saw
>it on maybe 1 of 10-15 customers.  Over the weekend, it seems to have
>reached a tipping point.  I have no clue what is going on with this
>and I've been digging into every source that I have.
>
>Some of the other ISPs I've talked to, have seen the same trend.  It
>reeks of botnet to me.  Currently, it's sitting there silently and
>this is what worries me.  Someone suggested that April 1 would be a
>good day for chaos.
>
>It's invisible on the local machine, cross-platform (both Windows and
>*nix - confirmed on Fedora Core 4 running nessus and tripwire and
>neither noticed anything amiss).  None of the Windows deep utilities
>find anything.  I have several security sources and none of them have
>been able to identify it, although traffic is starting to spike across
>the internet to 1720.  Traffic to 1863 has dropped off.
>
>Any clues of the chaos to come?  It's way too quiet for me and I don't
>like not knowing what is going on.
>
>-----------------------------------------
>
>From: Ereshkigal <ereshkigal@gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: OT? New compromise.
>
>On 3/27/07, Edward Falk wrote:
>  
>
>>Ereshkigal wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>It's invisible on the local machine, cross-platform (both Windows and
>>>*nix - confirmed on Fedora Core 4 running nessus and tripwire and
>>>neither noticed anything amiss).  None of the Windows deep utilities
>>>find anything.  I have several security sources and none of them have
>>>been able to identify it, although traffic is starting to spike across
>>>the internet to 1720.  Traffic to 1863 has dropped off.
>>>      
>>>
>>Wait, it's on Unix/Linux?  That's pretty rare for a virus.  How many
>>different versions?
>>    
>>
>
>This is part of what's bothering me.  None of our customers have been
>able to actually get anything from it yet.  There's one with a high
>level of clue tearing his systems apart tonight.  He's the one with
>Fedora.  That's the only system that I personally have confirmed as a
>Linux system so far.  I'd have to go through all our tickets for the
>month and look to see which other systems might be *nix.
>
>  
>
>>Any chance it could be videoconferencing software?  That's what 1720 is
>>for.  Videoconferencing software waiting for an incoming call, perhaps.
>>  The H323 protocol negotiates several ports for side channels, so
>>perhaps the software in question is also using 1863.
>>    
>>
>
>The customers that are technical enough have confirmed that nothing
>should be running there.  I had to delete the snarky bit of the
>answer.  I've been working for about two weeks straight, stopping for
>long enough to sleep and shower and that's about it.
>
>If it was normal traffic, I'd not have posted about it.  I'm really
>concerned about the rate that we're seeing this spread and what it
>actually is.  This is showing up on several other major providers, on
>more customers of our than we can account for with videoconferencing,
>and is spreading quickly.  I somehow doubt that the number of people
>using H323 went up by 50% over the weekend.
>
>-----------------------------------------
>
>From: Chris Newcomb <chris@abuse.ev1servers.net>
>Subject: Re: OT? New compromise.
>
>Edward Falk wrote:
>  
>
>>Ereshkigal wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>It's invisible on the local machine, cross-platform (both Windows and
>>>*nix - confirmed on Fedora Core 4 running nessus and tripwire and
>>>neither noticed anything amiss).  None of the Windows deep utilities
>>>find anything.  I have several security sources and none of them have
>>>been able to identify it, although traffic is starting to spike across
>>>the internet to 1720.  Traffic to 1863 has dropped off.
>>>      
>>>
>>Wait, it's on Unix/Linux?  That's pretty rare for a virus.  How many
>>different versions?
>>
>>Any chance it could be videoconferencing software?  That's what 1720
>>is for.  Videoconferencing software waiting for an incoming call,
>>perhaps.  The H323 protocol negotiates several ports for side
>>channels, so perhaps the software in question is also using 1863.
>>
>>    -ed
>>
>>    
>>
>I've seen it on a couple of systems, but I didn't get to it quickly
>enough after my reps notified me of it, as the customers had requested a
>os reload.
>
>-----------------------------------------
>
>From: Ereshkigal <ereshkigal@gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: OT? New compromise.
>
>On 3/27/07, Edward Falk wrote:
>  
>
>>How can people test to see if it's happening on their system?
>>    
>>
>
>It's essentially invisible on the localhost.  Any external diagnostic
>should let you see what's happening, though.  We've caught it with
>nmap of all the ports, primarily.  Either that or try a simple telnet
>IP 1863.  It won't banner but you can send commands.  We're just
>suggesting reinstalls for any of our less-clued customers right now.
>
>If someone can get a sample, then something less drastic can be done,
>but most Mom and Pop's aren't capable of it.
>
>-----------------------------------------
>
>From: Ereshkigal <ereshkigal@gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: OT? New compromise.
>
>On 3/27/07, Jon Lewis wrote:
>  
>
>>On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Ereshkigal wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>It's essentially invisible on the localhost.  Any external diagnostic
>>>should let you see what's happening, though.  We've caught it with
>>>nmap of all the ports, primarily.  Either that or try a simple telnet
>>>IP 1863.  It won't banner but you can send commands.  We're just
>>>suggesting reinstalls for any of our less-clued customers right now.
>>>      
>>>
>>By "send commands" do you mean this is one of those really old-school
>>"unauthenticated root-shell on a tcp port" services?
>>    
>>
>
>Appears to possibly be so.  If you disconnect after some number of
>invalid commands, then try to reconnect, it will accept the connection
>and then immediately kick you.
>
>-------------------------- end included text ---------------------------
>
>Regards,
>Jim
>  
>

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