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-----Original Message-----
From: Tyler [mailto:dl@blackpacket.net]
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 6:20 PM
To: Uncle George
Cc: qmail@list.cr.yp.to
Subject: Re: Advanced tricks I use to get rid of spam using MX 4xx

Uncle George wrote:
> 
>>     To provide reliable mail transmission, the SMTP client MUST be able
>>     to try (and retry) each of the relevant addresses in this list in
>>     order, until a delivery attempt succeeds.  
> 
> I think you are missing the *MUST* in the first sentence. There is no 
> try of any other MX if a connection is made, but delivery fails for any 
> reason.
> 
>> If you look carefully, at the top of the RFC, "SHOULD" is defined: 
> 
> 
> The SHOULD addresses a configurable limit of MX tries.

IMHO, QMail does try and retry each of the relevant addresses in the MX 
list, in order, until a delivery attempt succeeds.  The issue is that 
different people interpret this in different ways:

Some people think this should mean:
-> TRY1: "MX5 is dead, MX10 is greylisting, MX15 is greylisting, MX20 is 
greylisting"
-> TRY2: "MX5 is dead, MX10 accepts message"

While QMail thinks this should mean:
-> TRY1: "MX5 is dead, MX10 is greylisting"
-> TRY2: "MX10 accepts message"

Is there a reason to go onto MX15 or MX20?  MX10 says that it'll accept 
the mail, but that it's temporarily unable to do so.  Trying the other 
MXes just generates additional unnecessary traffic.  The only problem 
occurs when the receiving MTA lies about it's ability to accept the 
message, or a temporary failure that takes more than your maximum queue 
time to resolve.

"MAY" addresses the configurable MX retry limit; "SHOULD" recommends 
that QMail try more than one MX, even though it's not required to:

        In any case, the SMTP client SHOULD try at least two addresses.

So, as I said before, as long as QMail is _capable_ of trying more than 
one MX, it doesn't have to, and is still RFC compliant.  (Not that I put 
a whole lot of stock in everything being RFC compliant.)

Tyler



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