Hey,
You are some sort of a friendly guy, or you'r just frustrated on people who
don't stick whole life to something that they know, and don't want to
switch/try anything else, because of your phear of something new and different.
Anyway...
1. No, I think DJB is a great man, but I don't support his politics regarding
software, so I emailed it here, and as you can see, already there's some good
projects coming up. qmailpatches.org or something. That can't be bad, for you
nor for any other admin who uses qmail, including me(you'll find that i still
use qmail, if you read my posts above).
2. NC.
3. I don't block HAM, 6 months of no customer complaint supports that.
4. If I have a hammer with just a half of the it's body (where you hold it in
your hand), I will switch it for the same hammer, with longer body. So yes, the
tool I use is not to blame. It's to blame me, because I'm not a masochist or
something like that.
You didn't read, or you'r the one who is ignorant.
Kind Regards,
Sasa
On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:13:24 -0800
Peter Serwe <peter@infostreet.com> wrote:
> I don't know how many mail accounts you maintain for, but I host about
> 1500 domains spread across
> a couple of clusters and a dozen single boxes, and qmail meets my (and
> my customers) needs with a
> well-defined set of patches. Our company finds the excellent
> extensibility of qmail to have served
> those needs for quite a long time, integrating AV scanning,
> SpamAssassin, and mysql-based authentication
> long before vpopmail and other packages were popular.
>
> That being said, there are only a few relevant facts that I can glean
> from this little exchange:
>
> 1) You hate qmail, and think DJB should be burned at the cross. Any of
> his 'disciples' should
> be at least tortured extensively, or maybe just browbeaten by _your_
> specific (and misguided)
> ideas about the core functionality of an MTA.
>
> 2) Your ignorance about what constitutes MTA functionality shows in
> that everything you
> consider to be important isn't documented in the RFC's governing SMTP.
>
> 3) Your ignorance about the effectiveness of SPAM filtering techniques
> shows not in how much
> 'SPAM' you block, but how much 'HAM' you block. It's easy to build a
> SPAM-free server, just
> shut down SMTP entirely, and you'll never have any spam to worry about.
>
> 4) It's a poor craftsman who blames his tools. Either learn to use
> them, or admit to your ignorance
> and move on. Don't walk into the shop telling all the other craftsmen
> that their tools are broken when
> they manage to do to master level work with them. If you don't like the
> model of qmail, feel free to use
> something else. Just don't come onto the qmail list blabbing your
> ignorance, instead, go on the postfix,
> sendmail, exim, or list for whatever MTA you run and preach about it's
> superiority. I'm sure you'll
> find a bunch of people there who will cheer along with you.
>
> Peter
>
> Sasa Ugrenovic wrote:
> > Of course it scores 100 % when it delivers anything that comes on it ...
> > But that's not acceptable for customers.
> >
> > My customers received around 60 % of spam of their mail (usualy around
> > 50-60 spam a day, with qmail,spamassassin,rbl), that stoped when i moved
> > away from qmail, and they don't complain anymore.
> > That's the point. To make customers happy.
> >
> > Every mail that I block with helo checks(as i said before, i block around
> > 70 % of mail total with it) the sender get's notified, without my server
> > sending mail (bounce) back to sender, which are in majority of cases false.
> > Spam.
> >
> > For my needs (the needs that should be essential for every MX server admin)
> > I need to install at least 6-7 different patches. Some of them can't work
> > together unless some patch hacking.
> >
> > I'm not talking about my home mail server which holds 5 domains of me and
> > my friends.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> > Sasa
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:13:59 +0100
> > Erwin Hoffmann <feh@fehcom.de> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> However, one thing remains:
> >> Email has to be delivered reliably.
> >> And in this respect, qmail (1.0x) scores 100% -- even without patches.
> >>
>
>
> --
> Peter Serwe <peter at infostreet dot com>
>
> http://www.infostreet.com
>
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>
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