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Subject: Re: (OT)Verizon problems
From: Kyle Wheeler <kyle-qmail@memoryhole.net>
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 13:21:17 -0700
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On Thursday, March  8 at 02:27 PM, quoth Russel Oliver:
I have a recent problem sending mail to verizon.net. This all started about a month ago and I am getting nowhere at all trying to deal with verizon. (surprising I know)

Oh, fun. I've had the displeasure of dealing with them before. Good luck!

I know verizon connects back to check if it can deliver to the senders account before it accepts any mail

They do? That's new.

and I have that functionality in place ...

?

Unless I'm missing something, I would certainly hope so.

2007-03-08 14:40:52.069083500 delivery 138542: deferral:
Connected_to_206.46.232.11_but_sender_was_rejected./Remote_host_said:_450_Requested_mail_action_not_taken-Try_later:sv22pub.verizon.net/

Read that carefully. They're not saying they couldn't verify the sender by talking to YOUR server, they're saying that 206.46.232.11 didn't like the sender for some reason, and unless you own relay.verizon.net (aka 206.46.232.11), that's not you.

In general, this message from them usually means "we think your message is spam, so why don't you keep it." (Say it in a snooty voice, and you'll get the sentiment a bit more accurately.) It doesn't mean something simple like "we couldn't verify your sender when we contacted your server", it means "somewhere in the bowels of our anti-spam heuristics, this message triggered a no-no rule."

The only real useful information I can give you is that Verizon places HUGE amounts of stock in SPF, so you may be able to help yourself somewhat by publishing SPF records for your sender's domain (assuming you own that domain).

The only way I ever got results was by having my client, who was also a Verizon client, spend an afternoon climbing through their tech-support chain of command.

Good luck!

~Kyle
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