RE: RE: CISSP

["Bates, Chris" <Chris.Bates@nwdc.net>]

I would disagree with the below statement. 

"Without education you pretty much have no basis to start, everything
becomes grey."

A person with years of in the field experience will have a very valid
"basis to start".
I would argue they will have a much more valid basis the a person with
just a BS degree.

But I also think certification by itself means next to nothing for the
most part. I have seen way to many Consultants with certifications and
degrees not know their head from a hole in the ground.

YMMV,

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Chris Bates 
Infrastructure Management Consultant
ACS Inc. (Enterprise Services; NWSC)
Chris.Bates@nwdc.net


-----Original Message-----
From: listbounce@securityfocus.com [mailto:listbounce@securityfocus.com]
On Behalf Of mr.nasty@ix.netcom.com
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 8:36 AM
To: pen-test@securityfocus.com
Subject: Re: RE: CISSP

Sorry for two replies but I can't help myself, it's Monday and the
triple espresso just kicked in.

As a degree holder and board member of a local chapter working with a
local university to provide them with guidance towards a BS degree
concentration towards a CISSP I sort of feel your pain.

In my youth I worked with a Vetranairan for two years in the surgery
room doing your basic spay and nudder. I assisted with hundreds. But I
could never perform one myself because I didn't have the education.

Without education you pretty much have no basis to start, everything
becomes grey. You then have people who want to become certified because
they've watched all the episodes of CSI so now they want to become
certified forensic experts.

Where do you draw the line. Education draws a very clear line. It's not
to say that everyone who has a BS is educated or intelligent. Look at
our President.

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